Its real easy for you people to bash a company when you dont own shit. We need more FFLs down here so there will be some competition. This is a digital day/night scope. Built on the companys RRAGE upper and lower receiver and handguard assemblies, the pistol delivers a sleek profile. Sure enough, the bill passed theSenate by a single vote. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. With the Hillarys loss there is no longer a looming gun ban on the horizon and the firearm industry and market is facing a correction. Many companies make mistakes, sometimes huge. They keep voting for F#$%ing Democrats. AND everyone that the lobbyist represents must be in agreement. An American didnt screw all other American gun-owners. Henry? Now that I understand what occurred its pretty obvious as gunners we need to pass on Springfield and run to Henry. The S&W deal with Clinton was made on March 17, 2000 and the company was sold for $45 million ($15 million cash and $30 million in acquired debt) on May 11, 2001 COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. The Ceo needs to retire, and everyone on the upper levels canned to. The lobbyist for the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA), Jay Keller,traded that groups opposition to the bill in exchange for a carve-out, removing PrairieState firearms manufacturers from the licensing requirements. Half of those are national groups out of Washington, D.C., that have set up shop inSpringfield hotels. Lobbying groups run on a lot of assumptions and they dont take a vote from membership every time a change is made to a bill that they think concerns their members. Katrina gun confiscation showed us what any civil conflict will have as the belligerents, LEOs / Feds posing as LEOs giving you a hard choice.and a few Bundy-style standoffs. Yes, a company can move and thrive, as it only a matter of time before the cutout is removed and they are closed down. The ATH V2 comes with an 18-inch, stainless steel, CEODennis Reese hasntresponded to a request for comment or a further statement beyond the one he released Thursday night. There are millions of people in the US who no longer think that its enough to fight and die for these rights. That was just a small part of the problem. I had some AR parts on order a few days before Sands Hook. To be fair- since Bill Rugers death, the company has done a complete 180. Glad I waited. That alone is enough to put them out of business. This will damage Springfield Armorys brand nation-wide, in a business where reputation is everything. WebRock River Arms Two Stage Match Trigger Kit4.5-5 lbThe RRA match AR trigger kit is designed for AR-15 and AR-10 Mil-Spec lower receivers with .154 trigger and hammer pins. Wasnt sold on DAO until I shot it. But they were happy to allow their lobbyist to finagle them a carve out. Its called doing business. God Bless America, As a dealer I will no longer suggest either one of these firearm companies to my customers or stock them there are many other fine firearms on the market. I would start negotiating with one of those for manufacturing space and move my entire operation to a gun-friendly climate. Im both an Illinois resident and a SA collector with over half of my collection being custom and box SA products. The lobbyists sometimes seriously overestimate how happy something will make a member or simply dont have the time to keep the membership completely up to date with minute-by-minute updates on how wrangling over a bill is proceeding. They hate freedom and absolutely love all powerful Government. CTD is my last choice. Hugely disappointing. cant hornor us people gun rights I say F THEM ALL. The innovation and embracing of modern ideas weve seen the last 10yrs (MSRs, suppressors, polymer everything, etc) never would have happened under Bill. In short, this means rifle-makers need to adapt, and one company taking that step is Rock River Arms (RRA) with its LAR-15 Operator III in 5.56mm NATO. RRA and Springfield can suck my dong, they will never get a penny from me. The news of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms selling Illinois gun dealers and gun owners down the river continues to spread among The People of The Gun. Hence why, even with Democrats holding a super-majority in both our House and Senate, and a rabidly anti-gun Governor, we held the line even post-Newtown. They have no ethics. I will now buy another LAR-8 in case you idiots force RRA out of business. They are more than welcome in southern Indiana. If you dont like their price dont buy. Welp. Whats the hangup for SA? Imagine, a corrupt Illinois politician! Are you reading-impaired? It weighs 10.2 pounds empty and is 43.5 inches long. At the same time, Rock River Arms began to build AR-15 style rifles. Rock River Arms also produces M1911 pattern pistols, bolt-action rifles, and AR-15 style pistols in assorted calibers. [5] [6] The licensing fee? Anyway, at least for now, I will bide my time and see if Springfield repents and takes positive actions to atone for their irrational IL acts. Springfield Armory, Rock River Arms Trade Opposition to Illinois FFL Licensing Scheme for Carve-Out. You ask what was Springfield supposed to do? No wonder were in trouble, POTG are clueless. Not a nice odor. Dont own a Springfield anything and now never will. Seems like a stand up guy to me. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). We feel that IFMAs integrity is compromised and we will not be a part of the organization. If you sell more than 9 guns per year, you are in the business of selling guns. WebRock River Arms AR15 Uppers for Sale at Joe Bob Outfitters! Are you aware it was Bill Ruger who testified before Congress that nobody needs more than 10 rounds? F them. We are not obligated to honor a price that is in print or an error. If youre looking begin your 3-Gun or short-stage PRS competition endeavors, the Rock River Arms RRAGE 2G may be your ticket. Thank you for bringing this issue to the forefront. They seemed like a freedom loving company that supported the right for people to do what they had rights to do. I hope that it will bankrupt them, for it appears to be the only way these gun companies will learned to to alienate their comsumers. Pick something and follow it. They use forged parts and at least the Chinese are honest to let you know where the parts come from (China) whereas with Springfield it is a toss-up where the parts are made (I heard from Taiwan, Canada, even the Czech Republic!!). Bill may not have been perfect (who is), but his passion for firearms was solid and he was known as Americas Gunmaker, for good reasons. No Springfield guns for me. RRA is pretty close to Iowa iirc. As an Illinois dealer, I will no longer stock, sell or support Rock River Arms or Springfield Armory products. The idea being that this bill is so toxic that Senators passing it or the Governor signing it will be drawn into a wide-ranging financial and criminal probe. Chill out and stop trying to ruin a great company. Good for them. Somehow, I get the idea the House will be a cakewalk for any anti-gun bill compared to the Senate, which this one has already passed. A whole lot of gun owners see the deal as a sell-out. Hes hurt the small guys trying to kiss up to the big retailers here in Illinois. Were pulling out of IFMA and regret that this happened. Larson first said Rock River Arms had broken ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturing Association which is only a four member board. This just proves that point. How does what a lobbying group receives from a company 3 years ago translate to what the lobbying group does in the present? Rock River Arms built its reputation on quality semi-automatic AR-pattern rifles and 1911 handguns. Never buying anything from springfield ever again and my one xdm is up for sale as of yesterdayI dont even want it in my safe. I dont think the current owner is going to make that same mistake although I wish they would just stop putting in that stupid lock already. Either dont have any or I overpay to have the stock and have it at a price that everyone individual doesnt want to buy the whole lot at once. Whats more, Larson seems genuinely appalled by what happened. And if they do, all the company has to do is say sorry like Ruger. Do you know how much the dealer bought them for? This should put some perspective on how important this issue is to many of us. Its about the same price as an M1A. That doesnt change whats actually been proven that was three years ago. Thanks for Nothing SA. Or cameras? Good luck! Nothing unethical about this practice. Its like trying to work with Bloomberg himself. Start by giving everyone involved a TSA-style probe. Make the bill political kryptonite. And by the way, sarcastically calling people badasses loses its effect when you get so butthurt by an article that you start calling the author a pu$$y. Didnt you read this article? Did SA forget that this isnt 1988 anymore and that the internet exists? Initially I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but after I thought about Reeses statement, and now that Ive seen Larsons statement, I would have liked to see hecklers run Springfields employees right out of Atlanta. The local ones are more like highway bandits than gun dealers. I see only three plausible reasons: 1) Greed millions are never enough. Could be paperweights. Antifa is showing what they are willing to do, watch their fellow komrad take a LEO beanbag round to the wang and keep marching. Sadly, some of the collar county Repubs arent so much. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved. Its transfers. Do they somehow know the licensing scheme is going to be corrupt or extremely expensive? Then beg for forgiveness. All evidence to the contrary? I considered buying an XDs when I was looking for a conceal carry, glad I bought something else. Never, ever. This new model is the latest in the growing line of rifles and pistols based on the RRAGE platform. Henry and Ruger get my votes for Americas Gunmakers. Thats not fighting to protect gun owners. You can learn to make good parts on a CNC a lot faster than on a Bridgeport or SouthBend. Even being on this site makes you a hypocrite because TTAG regularly advertised for Glock, S&W and Springfield. Bill Ruger retired from the company in 2000 and died in 2002. So Rock River Arms story is complete crap and a bald faced LIE on the order of, I did not have sex with that women. Ruger was making superior quality products using totally American resources. As has been said by numerous others, that Springer I had thought about buying just got thrown under the bus. I know I wont be buying anything else from springfield armory. I was just about to purchase a 1911 with the deal Springfield is running this week. you cant fix prices or youll get a shortage. All businesses are licensed at the state level. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28141995/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/illinois-has-long-legacy-public-corruption/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes. THEY MUST BE BOYCOTTED INTO BANKRUPTCY. So, S and W are also dead to me. I wont name them, but the sales people at certain companies worked hard (and maybe even fudged some dates on paperwork) to make sure that I got my magazines before the deadline in the law hit. AR-15 Parts. If one of them didnt actually know about this then thats really not fair. Rock Bolt Gun Rbg-1s Starting At $4,450. What flavor is it, and how much do you want? Last Updated. Springfield could have fought thisor vocally opposed it on its way to potential passage. Thank God we have a Rural King now here local. Great gun. The rifle comes fully loaded with a Rock River two-stage Get a Dan Wesson instead. Gun owners should have bankrupted Ruger immediately, but they didnt. Well, said. A big reason that these rifles shoot so well is the barrel. The barrels Rock River use come from the Connecticut-based company, Wilson Arms (wilsonarms.com). Wilson makes the barrel, contours it and starts the chambering process. However, again I wasnt really in the market to add anything else from their company to my safe anyway. thats the one ive just stopped considering. These fat dumb and happy political hacks arent used to burning time and money on issues this far out. I would have called my lawyer, the NRA and a publicist. That is their only 2 clients because it only exists and was created for them. Im not buying a damn thing from Springfield and there is NO EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT. Robert, and we, the honest and dedicated advocates of the 2A and gun owners stand by TTAG in this. ), I DO have a choice with firearms. NOW all I can think is SHAME ON YOU!!!!!! When you need mags that you can count on with each and every shot, make sure you turn to Rock River Arms! Be everywhere until the bill is toast. Maybe thats the case in many instances, but its not like the IFMA has thousands of members. Your arguments are supercilious and embarrassingly logic free. If for no other reason than as a cautionary tale to other would be future sell outs. Weve been busting our asses to support our friends and punish our enemies. Other places have them for $200.00. chamber also differ from the 5.56 mm NATO chamber Wasnt there big stink couple years ago about so called kitchen table FFLs not realy conducting business for living and just getting wholesale pricing on guns for themselves and their family members? CZ-75/85 are great guns. Smith and Ruger more than compensated for erroneous thinking. Springfield Armory today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. Rock River Arms sent me a 6.5 Creedmoor rifle with a tan stock and 24-inch barrel for testing. Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Rock River, Ive seen people complain about Glock and Colt, Hex Mag, and about a dozen more. How many Illinois politicians wind up going to jail? I am not positive, but didnt Beretta get so pissed with Maryland that they moved everything, or is it still on going? It is the fault of the people in Illinois. My time stinks apparently. Your opinion and yourre entitled to it and welcome to voice it here, though it seems you prefer that others not voice theirs if they disagree with you. First, they co-opt the name of a famous military armory to start a business with absolutely no ties to the original Springfield. AND started planning to move out of the state. This attention to accuracy is especially evident in Rock Rivers new model, the Advanced Tactical Hunter V2 (ATH V2). Theres no way to know for sure. WebThis is the perfet mag for your LAR-15, and will work great in any AR-15 platform rifle. Personally hate to hear whenever CEOs or head honchos make public decisions costing their employees jobs/money. As I said on Thursday, when it comes to RRA I was, and still am, unsure if they had any foreknowledge of what was about to occur. But I struggle with the NEVER AGAIN WILL I EVER SUPPORT THIS COMPANY. I was going to buy the Saint, seemed like a.nice rifle, now.they can piss up a rope. Rock River Arms earned their reputation by manufacturing some of the most accurate and reliable semi-auto rifles for the law enforcement and civilian markets. Web50%. There is NOTHING I need from a company that is obviously manipulating the system for themselves. And if stooges like you thought this could be run under the table without anyone noticing, well, guess you should be mindful of your business in the next few quarters. Any combination of buying or selling that exceeds 9 is a crime if youre not a dealer. Expect deep, deep discounts on that warehouse full of XD-Es and Saints they were hoping to sell this summer. Springfield Armory *deserves* to be pitchforked and torched. Nice deal on it until 4 July as well. These two companies MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. What if I want to get some real nice (read expensive) gun and in order to spare my familys budget I decide to sell part of my gun collection? And gun control wins, like this keep the gravy train flowing so they can continue to draw a paycheck and keep on going. Enjoy 45% Off Rock River Arms Goods At Walmart. The law doesnt get past the senate without Springfields cooperation. Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the Pieces, Quote of the Day: The Johnny Appleseed of Ghost Guns, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, State, Federal Lawmakers Trying to Put the Brakes On Credit Card Companies Tracking Firearm Purchases, Chicagos Failed Mayor Lori Lightfoot Loses in Reelection EffortBadly, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Repeating_Arms_Company#Early_history, http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. Never give one inch or miles will be lost. We do not need traitors in our midst. Its a FACT that those brands are twice the price as Ruger. Ben Franklin once said, If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately.. We need the pistols to get to our rifles anyway. Didnt Smith and Wesson do the same thing back in the Clinton era, and it nearly bankrupted them, let alone took them years to reclaim the trust of the gun community. People Of The Gun have long memories. They fixed the old rifle, returned it to me and offered me the M1A for all the troubles I had experienced. There is a story of a guy that got run out of business after a hurricane because he jacked his prices up for generators. How is it that they even survived to change in the first place? Wow, the article on Reese is incredible. Meanwhile, theres another, ahem, firearm blog, that refuses to address the SA/RRA issue. Advertise their treachery. Most places, its still over $1500. Now for 2022, the company ups the game for hunters with the introduction of the All-Terrain Hunter (ATH) , a mid-length rifle that stands tall in the field of AR-platform hunting rifles. I think they and Illinois deserve each other and I hope they both end up on the wrong end of history. We feel that IFMAs I have to say this really makes me mad. Both are were on their way to selling over a quarter million of Springfield product this year. Ruger today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. I would move EVERYTHING 25 miles West to Davenport Iowa. And IFMA successfully lobbied and got a manufactures exemption this bill . Not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but check out Fulton Armory: http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. Both Ruger and S&W learned from their mistakes, I do not know if these two can. They did what they thought would keep the Criminal Clinton Administration from making a total all out war on guns. No, they stood by and let their customers get screwed. It was a great decision, I have never looked back. If you apply more than 9 make-ups in a year, you are in cosmetology businesses. Dennis Reeses statement to TTAGon IFMAs deal was insulting. Bummer, I was considering a Springfield 1911 at some point. Search Ruger anti gun. Had it in the cart at buds ready to buy tomorrow and now it definitely is not going to happen. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Just as its equally acceptable for folks like me to attempt to boycott them into bankruptcy. Glad I happened upon this article. These lobbyists arent in business to protect gun owners or the Second Amendment. And I believe it came with an internal lock on the main spring housing. You wont be able to pull a fast one and expect to not get called out on it. If people werent buying at these prices than there would be no market. It might not have, but then again, if Senator Harmon didnt think it wouldnt have gotten himthat last vote or two he needed, he wouldnthave offered the deal. If that hurts a company whos sold you out, good. Was also saving up for an m1a. About three years ago, RRAs Elite Operator hit the market sporting features designed specifically for professionals. They pulled the same crap for the Clinton ban, Amen almost bought a springfield I agree with you to hell with them sig glock ruger for me here on out. You can not name another firearms manufacture today that has done more than Ruger to support the NRA, the 2A and firearms owners. Done. Dam I just bought a new ranger officer model.Had I know this earlier I would not have bought it. How did the unveiling of the new pistol go? As for Springfield Armory, Im really sorry to see them cross over to the dark side. They MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. Springfield Armory is a dishonest operation from stem to stern. January 2023. If you know youre going to lose 50% off sticker driving something new off the lot, odds are you keep looking. I have been casually looking at getting a 1911. Nothing Springfield will ever be in my collection now. Some times they have deals. After the next civil war, we wont allow another one. RRA should be punished too. Rock Solid: Rock River Arms NSP CAR Rifle. They will now go to the top so I can wear them out and use the warranty. (3) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical CAR A4 223 Remington/5.56 NATO Carbine $ 684.99. RRA and Mr Larson are the only ones who can make a reliable AR-10. Boom. And yes, they are actually closer to Iowa than to Chicago. If they are both single stage, they will basically feel the same. I only purchase products from them with free shipping because they rape you on shipping. You probably also found out that at least bizapedia reports that the IFMA was dissolved. I agree. Their entire C Suite should resign and they need to prove themselves. Make it a campaign issue NOW. Maybe worst of all, passage gives anti-gunners a win they desperately needed. Run to Henry how important this issue is to many of us longer that. We wont allow another one one inch or miles will be some competition change. Be in agreement bandits than gun dealers address the SA/RRA issue a CNC a faster. 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